Shootings

[Sam]

Just watching bbc 1 there. Ever notice how nearly every popular game is about killing the other guy and so is haj. So should we stop making violent games and only produce games like portal or gmod in an effort to make violence a little less dominating in our culture? bit of a faggy comment but there you go.

[Hugo.B]

Sam, you query whether we should stop producing "violent games", and your reason for doing so would be:...in an effort to make violence a little less dominating in our culture...
But is violence video-game induced?
And why should you want to reduce the "domination of violence" in our culture? What reason would you have? If you went/go to a public school, you likely have been taught the evolutionary theory as being near fact, and "survival of the fittest and elimination of the weakest"actively encourages violence!

So from that I gather you're either:
(In order of likelihood)

Starting a provocative topic, :/
Questioning today's society, :icon_thumbsup:
A member of some anti violence faith/religion.

H.B.

[mXed]

i guess your comment was because of that new school shooting ..
there has been this discussion about violent games provoking violent behaviour ..
but i just have a hard time seeing a logical connection in this ..
come on? you must be seriously mentally ill if you can't judge between reality and ficktion ?!?
Deeply schizophrenic ... really really mash up ..
not too sure on what cause the shooting .. but you just can't blame it on films and games .. IMO

[Sam]

Well I want to reduce the domination of vilolence in our culture because 29 people just got shot for no reason. Survival of the fittest means "fittest" not strongest, it doesn't suggest violence. Today a computer genius with no legs or arms who gets a 7 figure paycheck will pass on his genes and an 8 foot retarded giant name bruno living in a mental home will not, 2000 thousand years ago it would have been a different story though. However what I just said there is interesting but not relevant. Because shooting 29 people in cold blood is not related in anyway to survival. I doubt Virginia was short on food.
If we make violence so accepted in our society it, these things will become even more common than they already are. So... I say why not get rid of video game violence. If we are not so surrounded by violence then the nutjobs who do these shootings will probably not go batshit insane and start shooting at people if they don't know what violence is.

[Hugo.B]

Survival of the fittest means "fittest" not strongest, it doesn't suggest violence.Misconception here, fittest could even just mean able to pull a trigger.
But anyway, if you don't have a faith/religion, what reason is there for abhorring acts of violence?
There are none that I can find, none whatsoever.
This is not to say that I condone violence, I am merely trying to show that in the view(read: evolutionary theory) that many people have settled for, there are innumerable flaws.
So... I say why not get rid of video game violence.If we are to reject violence, that is only pulling the leaves off this weed in society, the weed must be uprooted in order to abolish it.

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H.B.

[fess]

I've read of studies that suggest violence in games and films doesn't influence violence in society, and as such it's something I generally agree with. I think inequality in society is more to blame.

[spine]

Today a computer genius with no legs or arms who gets a 7 figure paycheck will pass on his genes and an 8 foot retarded giant name bruno living in a mental home will not, 2000 thousand years ago it would have been a different story though.

HAHAHA so true (and funny)!

Well I dont think games are the reasons people go apeshit with a gun in public,
if anything it keeps a few mental cases of the streets.

No these people would go apeshit anywhere anytime anyhow.
A more interresting discussion would be gun laws, some say with strict gun laws
this would not happen and some say with no gun laws people would be able to
stop someone going apeshit.
I donno realy, Norway has very strict gun laws and this has not happend here yet,
if someone goes apeshit here it's usually with his fists or a knife and that kinda
limits itself to injuring or killing just a few...

[fess]

I think strict gun laws certainly reduce the likeliness of something like this happening.

[Faceman]

Virgina does have some lax gun laws, other states do have better restrictions. Cali is not one of them though, they are a bit too restrictive. I'm used to New York's gun laws and they ideal IMO. Because of NY's gun laws guns are coming in from other states that have the lax laws.

On topic about making less violent games so society doesn't focus on violence...I don't know about that. You can look at it the other way and say that violent games give people a release for their violent urges.

[surgeon]

Violent media doesn't create violent people. Humans are all born with the ability to kill just like any other animal, it's just that most of us are told that it's wrong to kill or be violent so we stick to those rules. If we didn't, no one else would see the point in doing so either and everything would turn to chaos. Assuming you're a normal person you'd know that whatever happens in a game is fiction and not something you should do in real life, but from the information getting out about the gunman now, it's obvious he was anything but normal, not that that will stop anyone accusing video games.

[mXed]

yup ... video games create violent people .. and this doesn't ..
http://www.break.com/index/baby_shoots_his_first_gun.html

*good boy .. tap on the shoulder*

[Hugo.B]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--K3X6rptE4

Beat that!


H.B.

[spine]

That kinda says it all doesn't it... :D

[Yeti.B]

I think strict gun laws certainly reduce the likeliness of something like this happening.

When the gun ban comes in place the "bad guys" still have their guns, the "good guys" (law abiding civilians) get their guns taken off them, and the police have their guns, against un-armed civilians? if the civilians get their guns taken off then the police don't need theirs (imo)

Three types of people have guns, the criminals, the civilians, and the police; when there is a gun ban guess who loses their guns?

anyway I don't want to start a opionised debate. :icon_wtf:

[Hugo.B]

For those that are interested, e.g. anti-violent video-gamers,
or simply those that haven't heard yet, no video games were found in the killer's dorm. (http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/2007/04/19/no_videogames_in_vt_killers_dorm/)

H.B.

[Sam]

Yeah, crazy people will do crazy things and there's nothing we can really do about it. Just too bad it had to happen in America where guns are so easy to get a hold of.

[Talbot]

He probably wasn't very sociable for a start and worked himself up into a sense of total paranoia thinking that everyone had it in for him. He then decides people just deserve to die and goes on a killing spree. Not only did he kill 30 odd people, he also committed suicide. If the Catholic religion is anything to go by, that guy is in for a hell of a fun time with Satan.

[Faceman]

I wonder if he got picked on alot on internet forums.

[spine]

Lol! :)

[Hugo.B]

For reference:
Wikipedia VT massacre. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre)
Wikipedia Seung-Hui Cho (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seung-Hui_Cho)

H.B.

[zone trooper]

Like someone else in this forum said, we all got the ability to kill. There are many reasons why we as humans won't kill anymore, although there will always be the few that have those weird thoughts.

I'm 15 years old, I can go get a knife and stab someone, I don't for many reasons. I do play violence games, I was playng GTA when I was like 10, i'm not a violence person, games only affect those who have mental problems, those with the mental problems are the people who society won't care of and/ or just pretend that they are not there.

To be honest I'm gonna blame society for encouraging violence and not controlling what other people can do. I don't kill people, i'm mature, smart and been taught that killing people is wrong. I've got a conscious, just stabbing or shooting someone in real life will probaly stay in my mind for a long time.