Polish Army through all fronts of WWII

[H2HSnake]

Is there a chance to create POlish forces that played very importand role in almost all fronts of WWII? if you need infos i am the DIGSITE of KNOWLEDGE i mean ;P i know importand links lol.
1.France 1940 - Independant Podhalan Rifles Brigade,1st Grenadiers Division,
10th Armoured Cavalry Brigade(the Brigade had prevented French divisions from being prematurely cut off, allowing them to withdraw)
2.Narvik - Independant Podhalan Rifles Brigade(The Brigade distinguished itself in the battle for Narvik)
3.North Africa
- Siedge of Tobruk (ending the siedge by Independand Carpathian Rifles Brigade-SBSK)
-Battle of Ghazala by SBSK
http://www.kki.krakow.pl/piojar/brygad/brygad/tobruk/tobruk_e.html
4.Italian Campaing
-2nd Polish Corps "The 2nd Corps, under the command of Gen. W. Anders, landed in Italy in December 1943 and January 1944. As part of the British 8th Army, it took up defensive positions along the Sangro. Earlier the Polish Commando Company had been sent to Italy for special duties. The Corps' combat route took it to the fourth battle of Monte Cassino (11-18 May 1944) which ended in the capture on the monastery hill by the 2nd Corps, thus securing the opening of the road to Rome for the Allied forces.In June the battle of Ancona led to the capture of this important port by the Polish Corps. Further operations led in the direction of Pesaro along the Adriatic coast. The Corps was then moved inland covering the British 8th Army's flank in the Emilian Apennines. In January 1945 the Corps reached the river Senio, initiating three months of static warfare in preparation for the assault on Bologna. The offensive which began on 9 April led to the capture by Polish forces of Imola on 15 April and Bologna itself on 21 April. The Corps was then withdrawn for recuperation thus ending its war."Not to mention capturing all importand hills on Monte Cassino from Monastery to Monte Cairo,with Piedimonte on the left side.
5.North West Europe
-At the time 2nd Corps was fighting along the Gothic Line, the 1st Polish Armoured Division, under its commander Gen. S. Maczek, landed in France on 1 August 1944 becoming part of the 1st Canadian Army in the 21st Army Group. In a series of operations, 1st Armoured Division became the cork which closed the Allied gap at Falaise, through which German forces were escaping eastwards. At Chambois-Mont Ormel the Division withstood countless assaults by German forces trying to get out of the pocket.
The Division then advanced through N.W. France and Belgium - liberating Ypres, Roulers-Thielt, participating in the clearing of Ghent, and the forcing of the Axel-Hulst Canal. Following the crossing of the Dutch frontier, the Division captured Baarle Nassau, forcing the Mark Canal liberating Breda. During the winter, the Division held the river Maas line, preventing enemy infiltration and tying down his forces. The last operations took place along the Dutch-German frontier with the main fighting taking place along the Kusten Canal advancing on Moorburg and Westerstede before the final push to Wilhelmshaven, which was occupied by the Division after the German surrender.
-the Polish 1st Independent Airborne Brigade
In September 1944 the Polish 1st Independent Airborne Brigade under Gen. S. Sosabowski, which had been formed in Scotland in 1941 with the aim of being used to assist the planned uprising by the Polish underground resistance - the Home Army, participated in Operation Market Garden during 18-26 September 1944, fighting at Arnhem-Driel and covering the British withdrawal across the Lower Rhine (Lek).
it's just in short... if You guys need links i have alot of them,and some knowledge in my head :)...Making POlish forces reduces only to give brits the Polish voice commands and propper armpatches,that's all.

[Pierog]

eventually, and yah, its one of the easier implementations because they basically have as you mentioned a minor skin change and voice commands.

[H2HSnake]

if you need voice commands i can ask some people,maybe the guy that made polish voice commands for Forgotten Hope mod will help,maybe not,but first i need to know what system of voice commands you have now i mean what commands.

[Trp Dutch]

Goddamn Polaks

(hi Jed ;)


Anyway, would be nice to include them (if only as a skin)

I still think the commando troops (1 through 12) will give you the widest "spread" in "commonwealth" nations, they where the most varied of all combat units...

[Jed]

You think with my family history I'm NOT going to include the Polish? :D

[Neutrino]

im 50% :D

[crookedJ0K3R]

im sweedish, german, italian and greek. Sorry, my family's countries were all occupied by the Nazis (or supporters) during the time of the war.

[zone trooper]

i'm 1/4 irish and 3/4 english so could they include the irish army? :D

[ceacar99]

lol everyone is all up about getting thier nation mentioned in the mod. lol, you guys are lucky. the problme for me is that there was no sioux army of ww2. the only nation i can claim that my ancestors fought for was the us and there are way too many games that represent the united states(though they do a poor job at it more often than not). well anyway its exiting to see that the mod leaders are thinking about adding alot of variety to the mod in the future...

[Blue]

The Irish, god bless em (half Irish here :lol: ) should probably just get a batch of voice commands. Perhaps when you're the British your voice set would include a number of versions for each command, each in a different dialect.

like just gogogo.wav, gogogo1.wav, gogogo2.wav etc.

So you could spam "Go Go Go" and one time it's English, then Scottish, then Welsh etc. That would be kind of wierd considering it's the same guy talking but in a crowd it would add a little variety and representation. Alternatively you could just have the Client-side randomly pick an accent and you'll use that voiceset until you die and respawn.

Would take a bit of work and all those wav's might raise the filesize a bit lol

It would be like
\sounds\voicecomm\british\welsh\flankleft.wav
\sounds\voicecomm\british\cockney\flankleft.wav :wink:
etc.

Then you could have different accents for the Germans as well like Bavarian, Austrian, etc. (I don't know the states of Germany by heart :oops: )

[H2HSnake]

Hey Jed :) can You tell me where did your Grandfather fought in the war? i guess it was Polish 1 Independand Airborne Brigade aka 1SBS in Market Garden am I right?

[Jed]

Oh lord, I forget the exact regiment (I'd have to ask my father, 15th Dragoon rings a bell) but he was mechanised infantry and part of the 1st Polish Armoured Brigade. I only met him once as a small boy so I never got to hear his stories first hand.

Long story short(ish) - He was from a Roman Catholic family and was a teenager in Warsaw when the Germans invaded. Too young for the Army he acted as a runner for the resistance delivering underground newspapers and messages. He was caught by the Germans and he and his family were rounded up and put on a train to a concentration camp. He was lucky, he wasn't sent to the showers but put on work detail and was there for a few months at least (side note, somewhere in my family is a wooden Polish Eagle he secretly carved while in the camp and kept with him for good luck).

Anyway, somehow he and a couple of other guys escaped and managed to make contact with the underground and were smuggled to France via the Middle East and then to Scotland where he joined the free Polish Army. Just after D-Day he went to Normandy with his unit and fought through Falaise and up through Beligum and Holland and up to Germany (Interesting side note - my Cousin married a Dutchman in Axel a few years ago, unknown to us it was a town his unit liberated).

After the war he went back to Poland to try and find his family but decided with the Russians taking over he was better off out of it and made back for Scotland with his new bride who was pregnant at the time. She ended up giving birth to my father just before they crossed the Polish border. So although my father was raised in Glasgow, he was actually born in Poland.

As for the rest of my family, my other grandfather was a tank commander in the 7th Queens Hussars, 7th Armoured Division (Desert Rats) and fought all through North Africa and Burma. My grandmother was a in the Army and worked at Bletchly in one of the decoding offices working on breaking the Enigma cyphers. My father was in *that* British Airborne regiment in Oman and Aden during the late 60's ;)

I was just a low-life Lance Jack and section Bren gunner in the ACF :(
Still, I missed the Falklands and Desert Storm :D

[H2HSnake]

So he was in the 1st Polish Armoured Division :D wowz.I am reading a book about this unit right now,by general Maczek himself.:)

[Rome]

The Irish, god bless em (half Irish here :lol: ) should probably just get a batch of voice commands. Perhaps when you're the British your voice set would include a number of versions for each command, each in a different dialect.

like just gogogo.wav, gogogo1.wav, gogogo2.wav etc.

So you could spam "Go Go Go" and one time it's English, then Scottish, then Welsh etc. That would be kind of wierd considering it's the same guy talking but in a crowd it would add a little variety and representation. Alternatively you could just have the Client-side randomly pick an accent and you'll use that voiceset until you die and respawn.

Would take a bit of work and all those wav's might raise the filesize a bit lol

It would be like
\sounds\voicecomm\british\welsh\flankleft.wav
\sounds\voicecomm\british\cockney\flankleft.wav :wink:
etc.

Then you could have different accents for the Germans as well like Bavarian, Austrian, etc. (I don't know the states of Germany by heart :oops: )

aside from accents, everyone's got a different tone of voice, so you wouldn't even need to be that specific unless it's a different army.

[2ltben]

You think with my family history I'm NOT going to include the Polish? :D
*climbs onto roof and waves the flaga Polski*

My family's a bit more distanced than you lads. When my family left when it was called the Congress Poland :lol:

[Talbot]

I'm half Swazi. Can we have Swaziland included please!

[H2HSnake]

hey Jed :D i am not sure if You already know this but there will be Polish Army in sucky Call of Duty 3 for consoles :D and it will be 1 Armoured division.Now You can play as Your grandfather's division (speaking in english lol) here:
http://games.tiscali.cz//images/cod3/blgk.jpg

and another thing is that there's finally a quite good english language book about 1 Armored Division http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1874622426/202-9432882-0141424?v=glance&n=266239

[Jed]

Great! All I need is a console too!

I actually got a copy of the entire unit battle reports written by Maczek for my father once. It wasn't a book but an actually copy of the typed field reports sent back to HQ.

[fess]

Looking at that screen, were Polish units equipped with Enfields and British equipment?

[Jed]

Yup. They pretty much reformed in Scotland and were equipped as Commonwealth troops. I can't remember exactly when but towards the end of the war they started to re-introduce their own items of uniform such as helmets, etc.

[fess]

A relative of mine was a Polish airman serving in the RAF, I guess they had a similar situation there. I'm not sure what planes he piloted tho.

[H2HSnake]

OMG JEd I want to see these reports!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D is it possible? a scan maybe?!?!!? here's my email corduroy1@o2.pl OMG it would be so exciting.

[Jed]

Well the problem is it's about 100 odd pages of A4 and their at my parents house in England at the mo. Suppose I might be able to scan them to a PDF.

[Jed]

A relative of mine was a Polish airman serving in the RAF, I guess they had a similar situation there. I'm not sure what planes he piloted tho.

Depends. Do you know if he was a fighter pilot or bomber pilot or what squadron or station?

[fess]

I'll have a go at finding out. I'd be quite interested to know.

[spine]

Some interresting stories here.
Since where at it, I can tell you that my father (yes I am that old)
was working with the resistance in Denmark during ww2.
(I have a Danish passport but I'm borne and raised in Norway.)
Allthough he does not tell me a lot of stories from that time I've heard a few
interresting once.
They picked up weapon droppings from UK at night and had a few close calls
with the Germans, he never got caught though, was lucky.
Like when he had to deliver 8 handgranades to another resistance group,
he brought them on his bike's carry rail in a bag and was stopped in a German
controll post, luckily they only asked him where he was going, and let him go.

Another time he and he's mate sneaked down underneath the harbour where
the german ships where tied up and released a few boats just so that they
would drift into the sea. Kids prank stuff but they almost got caught there aswell.
And I don't think the Ger's would have treated them nice if they caught them. ;)
(Sry for horrific spelling)

[H2HSnake]

I'll have a go at finding out. I'd be quite interested to know.

if You want to know more about poilsh fighter pilots and what they went through before getting into british planes read this great book http://www.questionofhonor.com/

more about this book : http://btobsearch.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?z=y&btob=Y&pwb=1&ean=9780375411977

[H2HSnake]

Well the problem is it's about 100 odd pages of A4 and their at my parents house in England at the mo. Suppose I might be able to scan them to a PDF.

it would be so F****** GREAT MAN :D

[fess]

if You want to know more about poilsh fighter pilots and what they went through before getting into british planes read this great book http://www.questionofhonor.com/

more about this book : http://btobsearch.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?z=y&btob=Y&pwb=1&ean=9780375411977

Looks like an interesting book... but I could just ask a realative, I'm sure they'll know something.

[doncorleone]

Little bit late, but Mr. H2HSnake, all details are availaible by internet, big credit card Mr. :D

[Jed]

Well I got some more info from my father.

My Grandfater was in the 24th Polish Lancers, 10th Armoured Cavalry Brigade, 1st Polish Armoured Division. His C.O. is listed as being Lt.Col. J. Kański although his permit to marry my Grandmother states he was in the 14th Lancers Regiment and signed by Lt.Col Stefan Starnawski. I believe that post-war his regiment was re-organised hence the change.

Incredibly but true story - he was the gunner in a Sherman. His entried crew was his family, literally. They were all cousins or brothers and everyone in the tank had the same last name. It seems also that they were a phenominal crew and had one if not the highest kill score for the entire regiment. Then again, knowing my family it doesn't suprise me. :)

Also turns out that my Grandfathers cousin was in the Polish 1st Independent Parachute Brigade and died at Arnhem although we haven't been able to confirm his name yet.

[fess]

Great story, Jed :)

One thing that angers me about Arnhem, apart from the general poor planning and command was how the Polish forces were treated and misdropped.

[spine]

Yeah great story, you should get everything down on paper for next generations.

[Jed]

Lord its more confusing. A double check by my father confirms it *was* the 14th Lancers he was in, not the 24th which causes a twist. Technically the 14th was only part of the 1st Armoured Division during Spring 1942 then was supposedly re-assigned and never left Scotland. Then again, people were being transferred all over the place and my Grandfather was definately in Europe after D-Day!

Oh and we think we have the name of the cousin who was at Arnhem, even his badge number. Seems he's still alive too :D

[Agent Smith]

Thats pretty incredible. What are the chances of a tank being manned all by the same family :).

My mum had a couple of uncles who fought in the war. They've both passed on now unfortunately, but I believe one fought in the Pacific and the other in Europe. I'll talk to my mum about it and see if there are any more details she knows about. I do remember one story about a lucky escape, but I'm not sure which uncle it was and in which theatre.

[H2HSnake]

Hi Jed :) well there's a new book about 1 Armoured Division :)(i think it's quite new,i have it but didn't read yet)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1874622426/202-9432882-0141424?v=glance&n=266239
maybe You'll read there about You'r grandfather's unit :)

[Talbot]

This isn't a stab or anything but has there been a pride movement in Poland?

All of sudden there seems to be this massive surge in Polish patriotism across dozens of forums I regulary visit. It is such that I know more about the Polish units of WW2 than I do about the British units (who made up most of the Commonwealth forces). Nothing wrong with it, just wondering.