Dieppe?

[Lardassmonkey]

I just thought I might suggest Dieppe as possible future map if you've not decided to do it already. Although you could argue that its just another beach landing map its in mid war and features Canadians so its somewhat different to others.
The main raid took place on the dieppe sea front itself so the map would look somewhat different to the usual omaha maps- having a sea wall and buildings overlooking the beach.
Having eariler weapons and vehicles and no specialist equiptment would also make it more interesting.
Plus theres the added factor of the allied losing the battle to make it more exciting to replay- to see if you can change the outcome.
I think basically I have a thing about playing on the side that actually lost to see if I can do it differently. :roll:

[Subvert]

plus the beach was small rocks and not sand (pretty much why the operation failed, armor got bogged down)
you could do juno, but that would pretty much just be like every other beach map except with canadians. i think you should stear clear of the whole d-day beach map, its been way over done.

[Ginger Lord]

Dieppe would be a different beach map, stone beach and a complete failure. It is on our list of maps todo but is not being done at the moment, however Surgeon is working on a Gold Beach map.

[Rome]

Dieppe would be a different beach map, stone beach and a complete failure. It is on our list of maps todo but is not being done at the moment, however Surgeon is working on a Gold Beach map.

as a suggestion if anyone were to do Dieppe... I'd say a reverse omaha beach, like the germans have a time limit to destroy objectives? while the british hold out the escape.

bunkers, tanks, MG pits, they can be destroyed or taken for good. I know I have a book map on Dieppe, probably showing defenses.

[Rome]

Dieppe would be a different beach map, stone beach and a complete failure. It is on our list of maps todo but is not being done at the moment, however Surgeon is working on a Gold Beach map.

as a suggestion if anyone were to do Dieppe... I'd say a reverse omaha beach, like the germans have a time limit to destroy objectives? while the british hold out the escape.

bunkers, tanks, MG pits, they can be destroyed or taken for good. I know I have a book map on Dieppe, probably showing defenses.

nevermind, I'm thinking of Dunkirk /:

(sorry for the double post)

[Blue]

The question is how would the Allies win the battle? (since I'd assume they'd have the option or else why would you play it? lol) Perhaps if the allies enter a bunker and "capture it" or whatever the Germans can't spawn there anymore so the Allied objective would be to clear the town's edge of defensive positions and hold until reinforcements/extraction (since it was just a Raid anyways, they were never meant to capture the town).

So the Allied victory would be shaking up the Germans and proving their ability to land forces on the mainland, and the Axis victory would be proving the Atlantic Wall is far superior to anything the Allies can throw at it (ie, maintaining control of those key positions and keeping the Canadians/ British Commandos on the beach).

It could work right? :lol:

[Chief-Phillips]

Dieppe wasn't just attacking a sea wall, it was a 16 kilometer front. I'll publish my essay on the importance of the Dieppe raid later tonight for those who are intersted (got 97% on it). It's a short read, only 2100 words or so.

But my point is there was much more than the pebble beach. The eastern sector was a huge disaster (such as the town of Puys), as during the invasion preperation, the task force ran into a German convoy which alerted the entire western defenses, but the Western beaches (Varenville and Pourville) achieved near total success. No 4 Commando achieved their goal of destroying the battery at Varenville, protecting the main beach from artillery fire (No 3 in the east achieved their goal as well in a sense, 20 or so men made it to a sheltered location and sniped the artillery battery there for quite some time).

The Canadians at Pourville managed to achieve near total surprise, and made it into the town itself, and cleared out the infamous casino (which was partially destroyed for defensive purposes), as well as a large bunker complex. While advancing towards Dieppe, they were stopped at a river with heavy resistance, while the rest of the force was stopped 3 or so kilometers inland while reaching their objective (an airfield). More casualties were taken during the evacuation than the battle itself.

More tonight ;) I think it'd be a good battle though. It may not have turned out well, but the raid could have been a success if it wasn't for the convoy.

[Chief-Phillips]

For those who are interested, I uploaded it here (http://forums.flandersmod.com/showthread.php?p=21182), as these forums don't seem to allow for file uploads. Read a bit about it, might change your mind on adding it in ;)

[Rome]

If you don't want another beach map you could simulate fighting around the Casino area.

[Chief-Phillips]

Or even the town itself. I believe it was the Saskatchewan boys (if memory serves correctly) that made it into Dieppe itself. It was this minor success that made it back to high command safely on the ships that resulted in the reserves being called up to support them... good ole lines of communication, at their best...

[Rome]

If you want to make a map (sorry if the images are too big - I'll edit to remove them if they are)

On the first image, I believe the casino is the closest building - above (or beyond) that cliff on the bottom right corner. You can see it again as the big white building in the painting.

http://www.dieppe.claranet.de/dieppe.jpg

http://www.dieppe.claranet.de/image1.jpg

[Pierog]

If you want to make a map (sorry if the images are too big - I'll edit to remove them if they are)


do you have any larger ones?

[Rome]

If you want to make a map (sorry if the images are too big - I'll edit to remove them if they are)


do you have any larger ones?

no, I did a search in google.
but here's another inland photo I found:

http://www.battlefront.co.nz/Images/Dieppe%20Photo1.jpg

*edit: you can still see the casino, left center of the photo - tallest building along the coast.

[zone trooper]

if i was more expericed with the Source SDK then i will gladly help but i'm making my first room for counter strike source at the moment but i will keep on learning and then i might make my own mod but that will be years away.

[Rome]

yeah, I'm making my first map of east Villers-Bocage. I hope I can implement it in this game, otherwise it's just for practice. Unfortunately, me being inexperienced, it's not all that special, but I am a detail oriented person so I'm trying to make it at least decent - same with the layout.

Anyways, yeah, for that 16 Kilometer beach front someone said - and the eastern section being a complete disaster. If you wanted a raid on the beach itself, I wouldn't make it of the eastern sector but maybe you could have fires or screams/MG fire coming from the distant east side of map. :lol: (no offense to Brits, just atmosphere)

If of course the sectors were close enough IRL to hear that.