still not Released!

[roekeloosNL]

this takes long, just release the mod and patch it up!!! when this mod is done its 2015:biggrin:

[Wile E Coyote]

well as you may have noticed from the other posts you obviously would have read before making a post yourself, the lack of a release is not due lack of desire or enthusiasm from the devs.

it is a combination things that have been unwittingly thrown at them, case in point - like a software employer claiming conflict of interest

[coach]

So, will it happen?

Been real quiet around here.

[Ginger Lord]

Yes it will happen.

Bear in mind that both the lead developers are currently doing jobs where we're spending 65+ hours a week, every week, sometimes 7 days a week, at work.

When you've sat that long in front of a computer you need a little break, progress is being made however and it really is the last 5-10% worth of finishing to go.

[Talbot]

I look forward to it.

It doesn't look as if this mod is trying to be some stupidly realistic shooter; getting real sick of them.

[roekeloosNL]

any news yet i want to play this awesome mod but it take,s a bit to long now i already forgot about it!

it looks allready great so i dont understand why you cant release this mod!..

or a open beta maybe it goes faster to fix bug,s :icon_thumbsup:

hope to play this very soon!

Gr. RoekeloosNL

[Wermacht Warrior]

any news yet i want to play this awesome mod but it take,s a bit to long now i already forgot about it!

it looks allready great so i dont understand why you cant release this mod!..

or a open beta maybe it goes faster to fix bug,s :icon_thumbsup:

hope to play this very soon!

Gr. RoekeloosNL

Patience, it's a virtue...

[roekeloosNL]

Patience, it's a virtue...

yes i know

but this take,s really long :O

[Wermacht Warrior]

yes i know

but this take,s really long :O

They have already stated they're working their ass off...I hope I didn't just violate the forum rules or offend someone... and that this is way down on their list of To-Do Things.

[roekeloosNL]

They have already stated they're working their ass off...I hope I didn't just violate the forum rules or offend someone... and that this is way down on their list of To-Do Things.

well maybe. but i believe this mod is ready for release with some small bug,s that can fixed any time. and new news take,s ages!

[Wermacht Warrior]

How would you know if its ready for release? There is an update posted each month, how much sooner could you get, every week? Please proofread for the love of god.

[roekeloosNL]

How would you know if its ready for release? There is an update posted each month, how much sooner could you get, every week? Please proofread for the love of god.



July 14th, 2010 thats the last update mate. with,s month is it now uh?

you here from sept. you prop just know about it! so please .... i follow this mod for a long time now longer then im registerd. i just registered to the forum to ask when we can expect it!

and its a mod that never going to be done!!

[Wermacht Warrior]

July 14th, 2010 thats the last update mate. with,s month is it now uh?

you here from sept. you prop just know about it! so please .... i follow this mod for a long time now longer then im registerd. i just registered to the forum to ask when we can expect it!

and its a mod that never going to be done!!


lulz:|

[babokitty]

dead?

[SteveUK]

dead?

No...

[spine]

We never die, we just turn into zombies! MohHAhaHAh! :D

[Wermacht Warrior]

That's interesting...

[spine]

No realy, it was a joke. ;)

[Wermacht Warrior]

No realy, it was a joke. ;)

lol, I figured as much.

[zone trooper]

I wonder if they will be giving us an update in time for Christmas?

[cannon]

<crickets>

[babokitty]

Are you there duke?

[spine]

RATATATATATAT! Schweinhundt!! HAHAHaha :D

[coach]

Anything at all to report from any of the Mods?

Lots of "it is still alive" comments but nothing concrete since July.

[Jed]

Not much to say right now apart from we're still working on it.

It's mostly polish and tidying things up but I'll attempt, if nothing else, to post a bunch of new screenshots for Xmas.

[SteveUK]

Not much to say right now apart from we're still working on it.

It's mostly polish and tidying things up but I'll attempt, if nothing else, to post a bunch of new screenshots for Xmas.

Media update is most overdue since most people think the mod is dead. We haven't put one out since June/July.

[coach]

Yeah, people that I know had interest in it are all saying that is dead so something, anything would be a bonus & help.

[roekeloosNL]

any news yet?? come on guys dont let us down!

[SteveUK]

any news yet?? come on guys dont let us down!

We have a preliminary release date and we're in the process of finishing what we already have - although we've recently got some new third person animations courtesy of Jed. There should be some news up shortly from what I understand.

[yahooo]

Bloody glad to hear that guys, been wondering what or if anything was going to happen.
Wow A preliminary release date....How about a hint what quarter of the year will it be!! Something to look forward to...

[MrGrubby]

As far as I understand the release wont be too far off.
The mod has come way too far for it to be put on the shelf at this point. The only things remaining are some polish and updates for historical accuracy.
The game is fully playable and really fun! The testers are eagerly awaiting the release as well.

[Jed]

As stated, we've agreed a target release date and I'm in the process of trying to coordinate everything. It'll give us enough time to get done what needs to be done but enough of an impetus to get it finished.

I'll be doing a news update soon. I'm on the road a lot with work so I've only got a few drafts written down so far and I want to collect some media shots too. Bear with us.

[roekeloosNL]

nice hope to see the update soon, with release date!

[xrt]

well as you may have noticed from the other posts you obviously would have read before making a post yourself, the lack of a release is not due lack of desire or enthusiasm from the devs.
It's not? This place is more quiet then a graveyard. Think I'll move on to another game. Where is the fanbase I ask? There is none...

[Mrbreakthrough]

now it´s really ridiculous.because the team said they would release it in a month.
i mean it´s good that they want to make the best product but there should be also an end in the mod tunnel.

[Ginger Lord]

It would've been a month if we'd still had the free time available when we said it would be a month. We don't, so it's not, but it is a step closer.

[Frogsfriend]

Patience is a virtue, so they say.

Keep going guys, a little longer wont kill us.

[INsane_dod]

Patience is a virtue, so they say.

Keep going guys, a little longer wont kill us.

DITTO! Quality not speed is required for this game, I don't want to land at the Orne River on the wrong side or arrive at HaJ Afrika and find out I have left my 30+ sunscreen block-out in the boat.

You have to prepare for battle with great care :icon_cool:

[A.Switz [3rdMAR]]

Loving this extra break honestly before diving into it from my leadership role with my clan's perspective. Really allowing me to catch up on a ton of unit related work. And steam players have their summer sale purchases to keep them busy. No rush here.

[coach]

I hope that this at least getting closer to a release.

Been a long time coming now.

[Jed]

Mitchell's death has bummed me out a bit so I haven't been very productive but we've got some work done.

Honestly, we're down to maybe 2 people working on the mod at the moment. It's taking time but some of us are still working away as best we can.

[Frogsfriend]

I appreciate the effort, in difficult circumstances :icon_thumbsup:

...

What with the time of year, I'm starting to picture you guys up in the frozen north, in your elf costumes (of course), slathering tasty jam onto big juicy chunks of ham ready to be popped down our chimneys by a certain Mr S Claus. Mmmmmmmmm jammy ham :icon_drool:

Here's hoping ;)

[Dr. Random]

At this point, nothing is going to happen.

I mean nothing has really happened. I think we should just be content it was a good idea and what we saw of it was very amusing to watch. And we can just let it die a peaceful death without too much of our tormenting it.

[MrGrubby]

To be honest not a whole lot has happened over the last few months. But the mod is not dead. Quite the contrary, momentum is beginning to build again... and there really aren't many things on the to-do list. We've been lacking skilled labour but it looks like the (very) few guys on the team who can knock things off the list will have some man hours to put towards HaJ again.

[coach]

Highly doubtful but it would make a great Xmas surprise. :P

[A.Switz [3rdMAR]]

From looks of it and sounds from your beta testers, the game is way too close to being completed to even consider this mod becoming a dead end. Even if its down to just one guy left I highly doubt that it will go unfinished when the finished product is so close at hand.

[Jed]

Trust me. I'll finish it even if it's just me left, I have to learn mapping and it takes another year.

[Archon]

if it comes down to that, ill teach you :biggrin:

[yahooo]

So any chance of a before or after xmas hint..please.. :)

[paketep]

So any chance of a before or after xmas hint..please.. :)

I'd say it's going to be after :P

[Dr. Random]

First post of the new year, and it's still not released.

I guess, amusingly, black mesa source is postponed another year as well.

[Jed]

You've only made five posts in 9 month and all of them have been bashing the game for not being released yet.

I assume you're not hear to boost morale then?

[Dr. Random]

I'm here to represent the indignant internet, asking for what it wants only to tear it apart.

I have no idea actually, I couldn't care less about when it's released, I'm just here because I've been watching the date for about nine months and kind of curiously going off of nothing.

The last time I think it was that release was missing models and animation ... where there was an entire post on it and I was confused as to what else must be missing. I guess it's being polished.

Really I'm being pretty unfair. Especially since the sound guy kicked it. I guess it's fine considering the team is tiny and difficulties keep getting in the way (what do I know, I have no life), it just kind of seems impossible for it to get done.

[A.Switz [3rdMAR]]

Pretty harsh. And why? Its a free game they are making for strangers? Not sure how we can even complain about that.

[MagisterMundi]

Well... it IS starting to look a lot like Black Mesa, not gonna lie.

But you know what? Of all the vaporware out there, this is the one that I most hope solidifies. It looks awesome. I personally hope it helps fill the hole left by DoD getting borked time and time again.

Yes, I know it'll be significantly different, but there's only so different the Source engine can get... and that's fine. I really look forward to it.

[yahooo]

It's been a while since any form of communication. I know real life takes precidence,and you'd rather release a properly finished item, but at this stage even you guys must be slightly impatient to 'get it out there'???
Having followed it along for some time, right now anything no matter how slightly unfinished would be welcome..

[Rivet]

I really look forward to it.

+1. I can't wait to play this mod. :)

[fess]

I would suspect that the developers are even more eager than the fan base for a release and I'm sure they want to do themselves justice even if that means labouring over a few loose ends. Can't wait to play with the public, you're all in for a treat.

[Jed]

You have no idea how impatient I am to see it release :(

[ira_hayes]

Chin up!

I need rescued from MW3 hell. Looking forward to playing H&J.

[Rosie the Riveter]

Ira - any game that hooks us up again will be awesome :)
It's been 12 years now

[coach]

I am hoping that with the New Year that this project happens sooner rather than later. :)

[ira_hayes]

Hi Rosie!

It would be great to see all us old folks back together again.

[teemu92]

Any news on the project? there hasnt been anything lately, i just cant wait :P

[A.Switz [3rdMAR]]

It's a shame that the HaJ developers hit their biggest roadblock it seems in mod progress when they are literally 95% done with the game!! Man that must be frustrating and also sad that one of your more passionate dev members wasnt able to see the end product. But at least that gives us confidence that one day in the future we will be playing a completed game because TOO much has been created to turn back now.

But I do agree with Teemu, a quick hello every now and then like you guys have been doing always helps even if there is nothing new to announce for the game and maybe its time for another reminder that your still on board with the games fulfillment in the future.

[Jed]

Hello,

We're still here. A couple of people have asked for a news update but I've been holding back because I've been struggling to think of something to fill the update with. :/

Situation for me personally is as follows: I'm starting a new job in about a week so I'm on the last week of my old job and being squeezed to tie up loose ends and hand over stuff which isn't simple. Needless to say I'm pressed for time.

I've also had a fatal collision of projects - one a research paper on Horsa gliders of all things that needs to be finished 2 weeks ago plus some updates to the Source tools I make that were asked for by a developer. Again those are late.

So speaking for myself I've got a ton of balls in the air and I'm in that horrible state of not being able to get anything done quickly.

That said, I've been sat in bed most nights with a notebook trying to figure out a definate "to-do" list of items needed for the first release. One of the things on the list is *maybe* not putting the signature Pegasus Bridge map into it as it would relieve the need to finish the airborne models (which are almost done with rigging). It would be a shame to leave out the map which was the inspiration for the whole game but its do that or add another 3-4 weeks to the release date. I might put it to a public vote to see what the feeling is.

I want to try and organise and invite only play test to allow some of the more dedicated followers a chance to take a sneak peak at the game with no restrictions on taking screenshots, vids, etc. and talking about it. It's got to the point now that there is very little that is secret about the game so why have any sort of embargo.

I mentioned in a previous update that the animations were one of the things left. Those are 90% done and I'm just tidying up some small glitches here and there. I haven't yet put them into the main source tree as I don't like committing half finished work so when they do go in it'll be a pretty much complete set of animations.

I'll try and put a more formal news up-date together as soon as I can but I figured I owed it to you to let you know that much.

[A.Switz [3rdMAR]]

Well, I know it wasnt the gameplan and against pretty much everything you guys stand for, but why not release an Alpha and hope that it helps get more developers signing up?

But the draw back is....and Ill say it just because Im giving an honest guess here.....what if it's (Alpha) not good enough/polished enough and turns away players from the beginning? I agree by letting some guys play test who havent had the chance already can give you guys the best answer to that question and fear. And, you have a good collection of OLD gamers who are watching this mod so you at least have some good/honest people here who can be counted on to not give you a wrong answer by rushing a release.

[Jed]

You kind of hit the nail on the head really.

There has been some pressure from within the team before to put an Alpha (as you call it) out "as-is" but at that time the game was *really* rough around the edges and not something I would want to put my name on.

Where we stand now it is a lot better but there are still some things that *must* be fixed and some things that could do with a little more polish. It's just a balancing act of getting to a things where you feel comfortable that it won't have a detrimental effect on what people think of the game.

If people don't get a good experience from the first release the chances are they'll play it for an hour and never again. If those people spread a negative view that's fewer people who might try it. So even if we promise to update and improve those players may never come back.

Likewise, it's been four years - I don't think people would believe us if we put out a crap first release and promised to make it better. Just how long will it take us? ;)

[yahooo]

Do you stay shut up slowly trying to work on it or do you go 'Alpha'.. and risk it all.. what a question....
From the way your situation is going it certainly seems like your not going to be able to do anything substantial for the forseeable future. as I see it, its your project and its your call how you proceed, the playtest idea might help guide your decision, the 'collection of OLD gamers' is a very good point and hopefully the feed back would not be drivel..
Anyway after following you for so long and to know your so close, your response outlining what the situation is very welcome.

[ira_hayes]

The play test idea is a great idea and would give you a feel for how a full release would be viewed. If you're worried about stuff like getting the stitches right on some model I would move ahead with a release. Honestly, for some of us old gamers the visual accuracy is nice but not the number one consideration. I'd rather have well thought out game play. Are the weapons balanced, is the spawn system well thought out, do the maps work, do the maps and every aspect of the game promote team play, are there choke points were appropriate and are there alternate routes when appropriate (assuming of course that these were all goals of the game).

Look at the modern FPS games out right now - MW3 claims team play but the reality is that no matter what mode you play it's just a deathmatch. BF is just a hopeless exercise in hiding. Both games look awesome - but they stink. I'm getting ready to run through the 4th prestige in MW3 and I for one cant wait for this game to come out! My guess is that after I get through 4th I'll go right back to the original DOD, that's what always happens with me. New games thrill you short term but it's the team work, COMMUNITY and gameplay that keep me going back, not the graphics or accuracy of every visual detail.

This is only my second post but I've been lurking ever since Rosie posted a link in the Sunlits forums. In the end you really only have yourselves to answer to and hold accountable for your work - if you think its done, release it if not don't. Either way, I'll give it a shot when it does come out.

[Tobbe]

4 weeks (or 8) after 4 years.. I rather see Pegasus in.
Btw. Dev. claims WW2 games are on the comeback.link (http://www.gamerzines.com/pc/news/gamers-ready-for-ww2-again.html) (although they're releasing one, so it's a bit..).

[Jed]

Well if WWII are on the comeback then we're in luck. :D

I know there has been a *lot* of anticipation for Ham and Jam from DoD players and I hope they'll enjoy it. My only worry is they may not like the limited choice of weapons in the original release and the lack of snipers. :icon_confused:

The airborne for Pegasus is getting close to completion - the model is "rigged" and works with the animations there are just some issues to resolve with bad deformation around the pelvis. This is a common problem area for animators so it's not something I don't know how to solve. It's just a little time consuming.

That said, when its done I can make progress rapidly. LOD levels are fairly easy to make and putting the webbing/equipment on won't take long.

I actually got a few more animations done last night and squashed a few bugs we had due to Valves animation system. What I can say is that in some areas our player animations actually work better than Valve's own DoD ones. :)

[-|UPA|- Leader]

I agree with what you're saying as far as players who have a negative experience with a game are likely to abandon it entirely, even if improvements are likely. That happened to me with the old American Revolution game mod from HL1...I can't even remember its name. I kept hearing about it, downloaded it (which took a full day), and played it for literally 17 minutes and gave up. Never played it again.

That said, the likelihood of that happening with the majority of the devoted players in this forum is very slim. Most of us have been following the dev process for YEARS. We're invested in the success of the game....it's not the same as some random player giving it a look-see on a whim.

A controlled test might assuage some of your fears and push it closer to completion...more importantly, it might draw in older modders who have left the scene.

[MrGrubby]

So many people want to get their hands on the game before the official release ;)
I, for one, am all for it. I'd love to play with a large group of players again, it's been such a long time!

[smith1215]

That beta bunker.

[fess]

I know there has been a *lot* of anticipation for Ham and Jam from DoD players and I hope they'll enjoy it. My only worry is they may not like the limited choice of weapons in the original release and the lack of snipers. :icon_confused:


I would count myself in that group, altho I don't play DoD any more I always hoped HaJ would make up for a lot of the disappointment I felt Source brought to the game and I'm sure there is quite a large group of people who share this feeling. Being lucky enough to have already played HaJ I feel like it makes up for and supersedes what I could have hoped for in DoD:S. What HaJ might currently lack in weapon choice it makes up for it in gameplay and I think a lot of people will identify this when they play. Can't wait to get in a full server sometime soon, keep on troopin'

[paketep]

I agree with Tobbe. After all this time, I wouldn't mind waiting one month more for Pegasus. I always loved that damned bridge ;)

[zone trooper]

Just came to check up on this mod, thought it was dead since I haven't heard much about it, heres hoping that you guys finally get to release it this year.